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Talin 7/25/2018 6:04 AM

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Well, it's hard to separate tulpas from their host entirely. You are still one human, one brain. And probably, one mind.

6:05 AM

But it's not really what I was trying to say now.

what else could you be trying to say with "we make things up to fill it"?

I have an analogy. Imagine a program that is running and it hits a line of code marked as "not implemented". Instead of throwing an exception, the interpreter tries to implement the fragment of code itself.

you still have no explanation for why a tulpa would do this.

6:09 AM

and, again, I'm like 99% sure the only reason you think this is because tulpas have said things you don't think are possible.

Why? Because as I said, they probably aren't set up entirely. And lol, I'm not saying anything about tulpas claiming extraordinary things.

6:10 AM

I think it works like that even if you ask tulpa about their favorite color

well, yeah, of course if you ask them what their favorite color is, and they haven't thought about it before, they'll make one up. Like any other person would.

And you know, it often works like that with us. When we make up false explanations.

Somehow you've taken that to mean that tulpas randomly lie about aspects of their own existence, for no reason.

Not lie, lol

false explanations? how is them deciding their favorite color a false explanation?

you said:

6:11 AM

asking them for confirmation can give you false answer.

6:11 AM

i.e., you shouldn't ask them to confirm if they were talking, because they might lie.

Now you are interpreting what I said how you want. Maybe I should have been more precise.

there's no other way to interpret what that means.

But I didn't mean to say you should never trust your tulpa. I meant to say that you should not take what your tulpa says for an absolute truth.

...because they might lie. Is what you're saying.

Because they might confabulate. It's a difference between lie and confabulation. Lie is on purpose

6:14 AM

Tulpas saying even very weird things probably don't lie. They are making things up.

you still have not provided any even remotely reasonable explanation for why a tulpa, or anyone, would do this.

To fill "blank space"?

6:15 AM

Exactly as Clara said

6:15 AM

But deluding yourself that the blank space has things happen isn't the worst idea

6:15 AM

It helps form personalities, and makes things more interesting, from my experience

6:15 AM

It depends on our purpose. (edited)

6:17 AM

Of course, deluding yourself is not inherently evil, lol

6:18 AM

It's just good to know what we are doing and know the boundaries.

part of the process is deluding yourself. But it isn't the entire process.

6:19 AM

Seriously, if you think that a tulpa, even when they do exist, is just a subconscious process of randomly making things up, then why bother putting in all the time and effort?

Do you think you never randomly make things up?

such as?

Such as noticing patterns that don't really make sense? Making up false explanations why did you choose exactly what you chose? We do that often

making up false explanations?

Yes

6:22 AM

It's not really about tulpas

so, let's say i decide to make some eggs. it's a false explanation that i decided that i wanted eggs?

you're still dancing around the issue.

Ehh, it's not like all explanations are false

Noticing patterns and rationalizing your actions is completely different from saying you did something you didn't do.

then give me an example of one that is

6:23 AM

^ that too

I think those things have a lot in common, @bduddy #Diana# . Our brain likes to fill gaps and inconsistencies with making things up.

really? tell me the last time you "made up" that you did something you didn't do, just by accident.

I don't particularly do things when I'm "idle", but that's because I still have yet to find idle-things to do >~<

6:28 AM

@Talin , I think Sam Harris explains it better than me. I encourage both of you to watch his video about free will https://youtu.be/pCofmZlC72g

Skeptic

Sam Harris on "Free Will"

really. Your argument is a 79-minute video?

oh fuck all kinds of that. i don't have 80 minutes to be told i have no control over myself

I think it's valuable. Learn something about (lack of) free will by the way.

oh, I believe that free will is a complete illusion. I also believe that's a really stupid thing to base your argument on.

free will is a perspective

does... anyone have any idea what they're trying to say?

6:45 AM

I'm so confused

Isn't sam harris one of the people they warn you about?

who is they?

Oh, he's just a new atheist.

oh, I had to read one of his books for a philosophy class

9:02 AM

wait, how is this in #tulpa-questions ?

it morphed into this

ok well it should've gone to #lounge like 2 pages ago

started with someone asking about doubts, was told to ask tulpa for confirmation, then luna came in and said not to trust your tulpa to tell you the truth, and it spiraled from there

Your tulpa will tell you the truth.

@Talin , I said that tulpa might confabulate and not to take all your tulpa says as absolute truth

shrug close enough

Trivially true. You should never trust anyone for the same reason.

yes, you cannot entirely trust even yourself

i feel so emotional today and i cried because i doubted my tulpa, but i said sorry to her now and i hope she understands it even though she still a non vocal tulpa

try not to feel guilty. Doubt is inevitable and some is healthy. Your tulpa definitely understands. They know your thoughts/feelings

9:31 AM

love them, and they will love you

thank you, that makes me even better

I don't think Luna was even talking about the same thing as you guys thought

12:01 PM

when a tulpa is first becoming vocal they usually say things that aren't 100% thought out, realistic, or what they even want, they're like the "goo-goo ga-ga's" of tulpas

12:01 PM

'cus they're just learning to speak and often to exist at the same time

12:01 PM

got a couple things that talked about this to some extent

12:01 PM

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-am-i-doing-things-correctly?pid=167888#pid167888 https://pastebin.com/SQTUqTkh

Am I doing things correctly?

Hey. I'm new to tulpas (literally learned about them yesterday morning) and I've decided since I have the time, I'm going to make a tulpa. His name is Kat and he has red hair, and any eye color he wan

[quote='Luminesce']There's always a fine line when it comes to thi...

12:01 PM

second one was on a removed thread so a mod got it for us and we put it on pastebin

12:03 PM

okay yeah that first post by tewi was good enough on its own, even though it was slightly about something else

I think even older tulpas can confabulate. It's not really due to tulpas learning to speak. I think a lot of people assume that tulpas must know more about themselves than host knows about them. Imo, that's very wrong assumption and it leads to tulpas making things up.

the concept of tulpas being all special 'n stuff to someone could make them and their tulpas more vulnerable to "invasive-thought" sorts of thoughts, but it's more like between that and imagination since it's not always invasive

12:09 PM

but that's not unique to tulpas, normal hosts/humans can have that sort of thing happen too

12:09 PM

they're usually just more weary of whether their thoughts make sense

@Deleted User In that case, the disconnect in that conversation probably stems from the fact that others think tulpas are "more" than you do. Saying "Host should know more about tulpa than tulpa knows about itself" kind of implies that, because of what the tulpa is, it is less developed or functionally inferior to the host

2:08 PM

excuse me if I'm not saying what I want in the best way

2:08 PM

Most people here believe a tulpa to be the exact same as another person you could meet in real life (edited)

2:09 PM

and it's common sense that you never know another person better than they know themselves

2:09 PM

so I think it only follows that most people here believe that tulpas know themselves better

2:10 PM

And maybe I'm just stupid, but I think it's possible to have motivations, understand your motivations, and act accordingly

2:10 PM

If you're always honest with yourself, you never need to confabulate

2:10 PM

and if you help your tulpa understand that, it shouldn't be a problem

"Most people here believe a tulpa to be the exact same as another human you could meet in real life" - ye, they believe what they want to believe

okay

2:23 PM

I was just pointing out that's where I think the disconnect came from (edited)

2:24 PM

it's really really hard to have those kinds of discussions when you disagree about the very nature of a tulpa

2:24 PM

your assumptions can be wildly different

Thinking tulpa is the same as other human we could meet is just inherently mistaken. They are not even living organisms. We could say tulpa can be like another person though.

2:28 PM

But it's very wishful to think tulpa is just like another person from the beginning. Also, I think people not only think what they want to be true about tulpas. It's the same about people themselves.

oh my god